Sunday, September 13, 2015

Nothing Works, Everyone Labors: An Interview with Poet Lacluster by Sarah Carson

Nothing Works, Everyone Labors: An Interview with poet Lacluster

By Sarah Carson

Flint Performance poet Lacluster’s debut full-length collection Nothing Works, Everyone Labors is an unsympathetic portrait of what it means to live in Flint, Michigan in the 21st century.

Published by NIC Publishing, an imprint Lacluster started himself to represent Rust Belt voices, the book is as honest as it is pleading. He writes of arson, desolation and love all with an eye toward what could be: “Sometimes / you have to sacrifice/ a house full of dreams/to find your real home even / if that means, / setting up camp on a / patch of new grass/ and re-imagining.”

I sat down with him at noon on a Sunday over Irish Breakfast shots at The Torch. As downtown church bells rang around us, we discussed the collection, what it meant to him to write it and what he thinks is next for the city he loves.

So what’s the name Lacluster about? Where did the name come from and why the choice to use a pseudonym?

A lot of people know my real name, so I’ve created this alter ego to separate myself from that – which a lot of poets, rappers, etc. do.

Although these poems are based around real issues, I use a pseudonym to separate myself as a real person from the persona who’s narrating the collection.
Lacluster relates to how people from Flint are viewed through the eyes of outsiders. If there is any association, it is typically negative — violence, no jobs, funky water, poverty. And young people live up to those negative stereotypes as underachievers partially to cope but also to carve out an identity.

What does Lacluster have in common with the real life author of these poems?

I would say that I have a sort of schizophrenic writing personality. You know, it’s me, and it’s not. What’s nice about having a kind of a pseudonym is that first and foremost people can’t judge you by your name. They have to read the book.

Let’s talk about the title. Where does Nothing Works, Everyone Labors come from and what does it mean in terms of what you want to communicate with this collection?

The title is a phrase from the poem “Most Dangerous Fame.” Part of living in Flint is constantly dealing with the disappointments and lack of opportunity. Either you settle for less, hustle harder and create those opportunities yourself, or you choose to move away. It speaks to the larger struggle to achieve a sense of progress in life while everything around you crumbles faster than you can repair it.

When you talk about “everything crumbling around you,” are you talking about Flint? Or are you talking about something more personal?

I think it’s scalable. I think the experience of living in this city — you have to just deal with the fact that every single day something horrible is going to be in the news. Everything we try to do in this town to move us forward always takes us two steps back.
Some people have this mentality that things are coming back: GM’s coming back. This town’s coming back. It’s going to be this big city, but any progress is actually a step backwards. Either it’s done lazily or it’s done incompetently.

It’s a constant flow of BS, you know?

So why write a book about that?

Why write a book about any time and place? To share it. To get it out there.  To show people that this is not just happening in Detroit, but that it’s something that could also come into their backyards.

We have problems that should be national news, but I don’t think they’re ever taken seriously because we live in the shadow of Detroit.

Fuck Detroit. Come to Flint. We have the same kind of problems, and we need the same solutions.

But the book doesn’t necessarily tell people come to Flint. Or do you think it does? What are you trying to do?

I’m just trying to paint a picture of what I feel as a citizen is how you experience daily life. I’m a huge booster for Flint. I always have been. But you can’t walk up and down the East Side or the North Side and say how pretty it is. It ain’t pretty.

The reality is, it's really challenging to live and do well here. And most people move away because there are other cities that have opportunities for advancement – including Detroit.

People come into Flint and see there’s nothing going on. But what is going on may be beyond their looking glass. So let’s take a peek at what really exists, at what I’d see if I was taking the bus all day.

I’m painting a place. I’m trying to say on a personal level, the city feels like this, and my own struggles feel like this, and they’re interrelated.

Why do you choose to write about Flint? What does it do for you? What do you hope people will take away from reading/hearing your work?

I write about Flint as a kind of exorcism because it can be a heavy burden to live here.

As an artist I want to bear some kind of witness even if my perspective is skewed. I hope people find something unexpected in this book or at least something that is true to its time and place.

Nothing Works, Everyone Labors can be purchased on Amazon


  1. I've walked on the streets of Flint. I've walked on the streets of Detroit. Detroit is a whole lot scarier, because it is a much larger expanse of Scary. It always has been. For the same reason, it will be a lot easier to fix Flint. Even in the suburbs, the people around Detroit are much rougher than those around Flint suburbs. Ask an honest Detroiter or Detroit suburbanite that has explored Flint and surrounding areas, and they'll tell you that's true.

  2. Tough Stough Bough Hough (Tuff Stuff Buff Huff)September 24, 2015 at 4:22 PM

    Do we have to rank scary? Flint is plenty scary. Detroit too. Take a stroll down Dope Dayton Ave. and tell me Detroit is scarier. THEY'RE BOTH SCARY. Suburbs? Beecher, Mayfair, Bendle, etc etc are the pits.

    Detroit has the advantages of being a "big" city. Investment $$ Flint will NEVER see. That said, the dilapidated parts of both cities are massive and hardly anybody is trying to help either city's neighborhoods.

  3. TWELVE MILES from the nearest Flint City Limit and you are in a rural area. TWELVE MILES from the nearest DETROIT CITY LIMIT and as COUNT SCARY might say, you are still in a VERY SCARY AREA, one you have to be out of by 7:00 PM even in the Summer.

  4. Scary Index Rating of 10October 10, 2015 at 5:19 AM

    12 miles from Flint City Limits is Fenton and Birch Run. 12 miles from Detroit City Limits is Rochester Hills and Plymouth. Neither are scary. Sure, Detroit has a few rough suburbs: Inkster, Romulus, Pontiac. Flint has Beecher, Mayfair, and Bendle. Your sunset rule doesn't apply. Most Detroit 'burbs are easy breezy.

    I get it, Detroit is bigger. Grozny, Chechnya is smaller. Palmyra, Syria too. Both are much scarier than Flint or Detroit.

    Throw a dart at a map of Flint and walk that neighborhood. You'll realize your Scary Index will be irrelevant.


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